vendredi 7 janvier 2005

Espace détente 7

82 commentaires:

Flocon a dit…

A funny thing I've just discovered :

How to know where the plane you're seing in the sky is going from and going to, which type of plane, its speed, its altitude,the company it belongs to, the flight number etc...

It's here for France but there are other such links for other countries of course.

It should be easy to find the site for the U.S. if anyone's interested.

Flocon a dit…

Needless to say, one must click on any plane to get the details...

Anijo a dit…


Actually that link is for all of the countries. All you have to do is click your mouse on the screen and move it around anywhere you want to go. (Same way that Google Maps works)

Thanks for this. I can play for a long time with this type of thing. Too bad for me that there's less info for the U.S. than for Europe.

Flocon a dit…

I've been moving my mouse all around since I was young... errr... no, since I've discovered this site, unfortunately it seems there are only eight planes over the east coast of the U.S and not a single one in the rest of the country which of course is totally impossible.

My guess is that it must depends on a tracking zone or something.

Of course military planes aren't detected.

Here was the situation over northern France 10 minutes ago.

And here are some information I get about the plane I clicked on.

(the orange one on the left) preparing to land at Roissy/Charles de gaulle

Type of plane (Boing, Airbus, etc.)
last message,
speed, altitude, direction, flight number, name of the cie...

I've already checked with planes that were flying over Paris... it worked.

Have fun :-)

Ned Ludd a dit…

Well, Anijo, with Rafa knocked out early and a relatively easy win over Djokovic, Roger Federer wins another grand slam and N°1.

I have always like Roger for his grace. Rafa, Djo, and Murray are always running fast sprints to make good sometimes acrobatic shots. Roger just seems to walk or glide from one end to the other of the court hardly breaking a sweat.

He always seems so zen, whether he is down two sets or up two he doesn't seem to change. He also seems to use the least energy of anyone in tennis. I wonder how he is almost always in the right place with apparently such little effort.

Flocon a dit…

Je suis d'accord avec toi re. Federer.

Il a une élégance naturelle qui lui permet de se déplacer avec aisance et sans la "violence" qui se dégage de la plupart des autres joueurs.

Il émane de sa personne un calme et une douceur inhabituelle dans son milieu.

He's above the fray et on voit bien que c'est un type "bien". il me fait penser à Arthur Ashe.

Also he seems to be intelligent which isn't the first thing that comes to mind when looking at Djokovic for example.

Anijo a dit…

Flocon and Ned can have their elegance. I'll take the sexy.

Anijo a dit…

And of course, Rafa and Novak are also intelligent. And Federer is somewhat sexy, but sorry Ned and Flocon, I have a weakness for this.

Anijo a dit…

Must be that wild Spanish/Native American blood deep in my soul that is attracted to the wild.

Anijo a dit…

And now the appropriate song for this moment.

Anijo a dit…

Ein ungefärbt Gemüte (Une âme sincère), (BWV 24), est une cantate religieuse de Johann Sebastian Bach

Je me demande pourquoi Flocon s'interesse a ces choses religieuses. Must be that Bach so interests him that he feels the ecstasy and the wild beauty of Bach's vision.

Wild thang... you make my heart sing..

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo, maybe you remember this one too, Born to be Wild by Steppenwolf. I don't see you as "A Walk on the Wild Side" type.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Ajijo perhaps there is more to Bach for Flocon than the "wild beauty". A book I read many years ago and have to go back to is Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Braid

I realize from this Wiki article that there are things I missed.

Flocon a dit…


Since I haven't answered immediately your comment about "what do we know about the other" I've lost track of it.

My view is that we already know a very, very tiny and limited portion of what we are (which of course is in permanent evolution) and that we know absolutely nothing about the other.

We're just familiar whith someone else for a certain amount of time and basically, we're not interested in the least in knowing more than what is necessary on a practical point of view.

The image is that of soap bubbles which slightly make contact on one single point of each other's surface when they come out of the water reservoir, taking care not to invest too much energy in the encounter, at the risk of instant and mutual annihilation. (M.A.D.)

Think of Leinitz's monads.

Also, in our three dimensional world, there's no possibility that any body (un corps au sens de la philo traditionnelle ou en physique) can have contact with more than on point of any surface, leaving the rest of it (that is 99,999999999 %) not only "untouched" of course but also completely out of reach.

Schopenhauer has an image for it, using the example of the porcupine. Believe it or not, I wasn't much impressed with his metaphor. It may be that I am too blasé and that I was so impressed with his Weltanschauung that his comparison didn't teach me anything that I already wasn't aware of.

Flocon a dit…

re. Born to be wild, the novel by Hesse I read some thirty years ago. I can't remember what it was all about but I was very, very impressed by it which led me to read other titles by him including Narcissus und Goldmund which equally impressed me.

Or maybe did I read the latter which led me to the first? Great readings anyway.

Flocon a dit…


Ein ungefärbt Gemüte (music) is one of the 240 cantatas by Bach that I have created articles about on Wiki (not sure about the construction of the sentence here though).

You humble servant is responsible for the French wiki having a complete coverage of all 240 cantatas, translated from English, German, Italian, Norwegian, Dutch and possibly another language.

No other wiki (check English or German just to be sure) has article on all 240 cantatas.

I am in touch with the woman creating these articles both in English and German. As a matter of fact she's German and seems somehow bilingual but her English is sometimes more difficult for me to translate than her articles in German.

Apparently, she still has in mind the German way of buiding up sentences because some of her sentences in English are very long with an accumulation of words and two if not three related sentences all wrapped in one. (Who ist die Ausgang?) Where's the exit?

Interspersed are very short sentences which in the end make the whole thing not really fluid. As is expected, her German is more balanced and also clearer.


As pertains Shopenhauer and music, there is this text that may interest you.

Schopen was an avid afficionado of Rossini whose reductions he would play on the flute.

You may know that Bach had fallen in near complete oblivion after his death and didn't enjoy during the XIXth century the status of greatest musician of all time he now is considered to be in the West.

A last answer to Ned on the Teleology/eroticism post and I'm in for this article to translate into French (nearly 25,000 bytes means it will keep me busy for the day)

Anijo a dit…

Ajijo perhaps there is more to Bach for Flocon than the "wild beauty"

Ned, perhaps you don't know when Anijo is teasing Flocon.

I don't see you as "A Walk on the Wild Side" type.
You know very very little about me.


We're just familiar whith someone else for a certain amount of time and basically, we're not interested in the least in knowing more than what is necessary on a practical point of view.

Interesting Flocon. That statememnt alone tells me something more about you. ;)
I find people fascinating and am always interested in knowing more about them.

Thank you for the link to Schopenhauer's Metaphysics of Music. Should be interesting to read.

Your sentence construction was fine.

You're a fascinating, interesting man Flocon, what with your intellectual interests in so many diverse topics. Impressive what you've contributed to Wiki.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo, no offense intended. I just don't associate the song with a beautiful corner of the far west, even though I saw Andy Warhol' Lonesome Cowboys

I am reminded of the song by the Kink's "Lola", "She walked like a woman but talked like a man."

I can't think of any famous lesbian songs.

Anijo a dit…

No problem Ned. I'm puzzled as to how the 'song' by Bach reminded you of Wild West gays, transvestites, and lesbians.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo, maybe I wasn't clear, but I was referring to the song by the Velvet Underground.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo, here is the song I was referring--with the words for Flocon.

Flocon a dit…


"what with your intellectual interests in so many diverse topics"

Well, you see, I've just very recently learned that some women also consider a brainy intellectual man as sexy.

So I'm just making up for lost time but since I'm starting from scratch I doubt I will ever attain any satisfying achievement :-(

Anijo a dit…

Already achieved Flocon. You're quite sexy, but you don't know it.

Flocon a dit…

OK Anijo, you win.

I'm sexy and I know it!

Anijo a dit…

ha! Reminds me of this.

Anijo a dit…

Some painters transform the sun into a yellow spot, others transform a yellow spot into the sun.

A painter could never transform a yellow spot into to the sun.

I think that I shall never see

A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth's flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day, 5
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain. 10

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

Anijo a dit…

Pancho Villa

Flocon a dit…

Merci pour ce beau poème Anijo, I didn't know that American poet.

According to Wiki, he seems to be not very much read these days.

Though a prolific poet whose works celebrated the common beauty of the natural world as well as his religious faith, Kilmer is remembered most for a short poem titled "Trees" (1913)

Anijo a dit…

Re: le Tour de France. En le regardant, cela me donne bcoup de belles souvenirs de conduire partout dans les divers 'ti villages de la France..

Anijo a dit…

I never saw an ugly thing in my life: for let the form of an object be what it may, light, shade and perspective will always make it beautiful.

Brings to mind Wabi sabi which represents a comprehensive Japanese world view aesthetic centered on the acceptance of transience and imperfection. The aesthetic is sometimes described as one of beauty that is "imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete"

Ned Ludd a dit…

For the philosopher in you.

Flocon a dit…


You somewhere linked to an article on free will and once again I can't retrieve it; Unless you know where it is, I'm beginning to think Blogger will be the #1 suspect again.

Anyway, the topic of free will has always be a closed case for me as long as I remember.

Of course I couldn't verbalise these things when I was 8, 10 or so but intuitivaly it was obvious to me that free will is a complete fantasy belonging to the same world than Santa Claus's.

Eventually I read that essay when I was in my 40s and it exactly and precisely exposed what my thoughts had always been on that topic.

We are responsible for what we do because what we do is the direct consequence of what we are. What we do is the objectivation of what we are.

As to why are we what we are and not different, beyond all causal and traceable determinations, is a mystery that is beyond human understanding.

That's the way it is, period.

So, practicaly, the only thing to do is to pretend, to act as if if you remember well.

human beings can never really know the underlying reality of the world, and that as a result we construct systems of thought and then assume that these match reality: we behave "as if" the world matches our models

Flocon a dit…

Et pour le Tour de France I agree. Il faut couper le son et les paysages sont souvent magnifiques dans les régions montagneuses and also there are all these little hamlets and villages where the passage of the Tour will be remembered for generations.

Also there is that Tour de err... no, wrong link, I meant this Tour...

Flocon a dit…

The only thing that I know about Japanese aesthetics is that it is much less down to earth than is Western aesthetics generally speaking.

After I'm through with shinto sanctuaries and Bouddhist temples I'll embrace Japanese aesthetics.

Flocon a dit…


re. your picture. I agree but maybe not with the 99% figure.

No latter than two days ago I was reading an article about the difference between how Kant and Nietzsche regarded what could be called philosophying(?).

Oh well... and at the end of the day, the sky is blue, the sun is out, it's beautiful and so are you...

Anijo a dit…


Here's the article on free will of which you speak.

Flocon a dit…


Think of it, your drawing is spot on Nietzsche's statement that all philosophical or religious systems have a subjective origin.

Nothing revolutionary here since evidently no system is born out of Nature but it's nonetheless a good reminder that any religious view of the world is the outcome of an individual's fantasies and lunacies, particularly Islam since Mahommet was an fervent adept of pot comme tu nous l'as rappelé il y a quelques mois.

Il y a dans le Christianisme une assise métaphysique originaire d'Inde, absente de l'Islam et plus encore du Judaïsme qui n'est qu'un apprentissage à la soumission. De soi (et des autres dans le cas des sionistes).

Flocon a dit…


je me suis mal exprimé, ce n'est pas l'article au bout du lien que je cherchais but your own comment on the blog (this one and not the one where the article is) où tu donnais ce lien.. I don't know where you posted it.

Anijo a dit…

Ah, Flocon, finalement je crois comprendre. C'est pas le lien, ni une commentaire que j'ai fait vis-a-vis free will, mais le billet ou il exist quand j'ai donné le lien? Si c'est ça, c'est au billet "What Women Don't Know About Men".

Ned Ludd a dit…

OK, Flocon, le 99% s'applique surtout aux religions.

Quant à la libre arbitre, j'en ai jamais pensé jusqu'à j'ai lu B.F. Skinner à l'université. Buckley Program

That is the short version, there is also a long lecture by him before a psychiatric association. I can give other links if necessary. But you can see that in just a few words he can make a salient point.

More reading for which I think I mentioned before in earlier discussions of the illusion of free will.

-"Beyond Freedom and Dignity"
-"About Behaviorism"

This was not popular with hardcore marxists who believed in the forward march of history.

Flocon a dit…

Funny you mention the Marxists Ned,

The Érotisme et téléologie post was meant to deal with Hegel's view on History, the so-called cunnings of History as he would label them and how Marx came and revised Hegel's system with his concept of the forward march of History.

And there was a second part after that one but it was too ambitious...

Flocon a dit…

Here is the real world wide site for plane tracking.

It's incredible! If you zoom enough you''ll actually see the planes gliding in the sky as they fly forward.

When you clik on one of them, the path it has followed since its take off will appear.

Where it comes from and where to.

Anijo a dit…

Strange. The traffic from Phoenix is available, but there's no tracking for planes out of El Paso TX ?? hmm

Anyway, thank you so much Flocon. Very interesting!

Anijo a dit…

I followed a plane from Arizona flying across the New Mexico border. When it was near Deming, it disappeared. Guess, the radar cooperation ends somewhere around this area.

Anijo a dit…

carte des navires.

J'ai vu ce navire hier et encore ce matin.

Flocon a dit…

Another great find Anijo, and this site is much more sophisticated than the Flightradar one.

Your site (with a French version s'il vous plaît) informs on the nature of the boats (passengers, freight, tanker etc.), their time schedules and if I click on details I get track of the path they've followed and many other data.

I still haven't spent much time on this but at one moment I was following a boat on a river. (Funny there's no word in English for "fleuve").

If one considers that these sorts of sites are public and accessible to everybody, one can only imagine what the professional versions of similar sites are and what secret services of all countries have at their disposal when they want information on each of us...

As pertains the plane from Arizona that vanished in the haze at the N.M border, something similar happened to me yesterday as I was following a Lufthansa plane from Frankfurt to Tokyo while it was gliding over some Japanese mountains.

As a matter of fact, I was zooming too close and the plane reappeared as soon as I zoomed out.

Anijo a dit…

Nice song with nice lyrics

Oh a sleeping drunkard up in central park
Or the lion hunter in the jungle dark
Or the Chinese dentist, or the British Queen
They all fit together in the same machine

Nice, nice, very nice
Nice, nice, very nice
So many people in the same device

Oh a whirling dervish and a dancing bear
Or a ginger rogers and a Fred Astaire
Or a teenage rocker or the girls in France
Yes, we all are partners in this cosmic dance

Nice, nice, very nice
Nice, nice, very nice
So many people in the same device

I wanted all things to make sense
So we’d be happy instead of tense

Oh a sleeping drunkard up in central park
Or the lion hunter in the jungle dark
Or the Chinese dentist or the British Queen
They all fit together in the same machine

Nice, nice, very nice
Nice, nice, very nice
So many people in the same device
So many people in the same device

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo and Flocon, I long ago linked Lou Reed and "Walk on the Wild Side".

To my, and maybe your, surprise, Vanessa Paradise of all people did a cover of the song.

Flocon a dit…

The important news these days with Vanessa Paradis is that she's split with (from?) Johnny Depp :-(

Speaking of coverage, I've discovered this video of Dick Rivers singing a song by the Beatles with the French title Ces mots qu'on oublie un jour with Paul and John making a cameo.


Ned Ludd a dit…

I couldn't listen to the end. BTW, we would say "Speaking of covers...". Coverage isn't used in this sense.

Flocon a dit…

The links may not be appropriate for l'espace détente but well...

The Moral Hazard of Drones

The Drama of Existentialism.

Issues that have been hinted at here.

Just in case you have more time than me...

Anijo a dit…

When I'm good, I'm very good. When I'm bad, I'm better.

There was a little girl who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead;
When she was good, she was very, very good,
And when she was bad, she was horrid.

Flocon a dit…

I've found some sort of mushrooms ... hmmm... how to say? Maybe not appropriate with (to?) Longfellow's poem but maybe more with Mae West's famous question.

Ned Ludd a dit…

The article on existentialism was informative. Too bad it was so short.


"spit with" or "split from" are both ok. In relationships, we mostly say "split up with". If we talk about a schism in a group, we might say "split away from". Ah, those pesky little phrasal verbs.

Rats, I realize that I use French so much that I have to use the English dictionary more and more to get my spelling or words right, like "schism". I used to know these words by heart.

Flocon a dit…

Existentialism was a joke and Sartre a faiseur who was wrong on about every account, Marxism, Psychoanalysis, Zionism etc.

This novel is a great one though.

As to Gary Gutting who wrote that pice in the NYT, I very much doubt that he fully read Being and Nothingness when actually next to nobody has ever read this piece from a higly delirious mind who asserts the existence of free will.

I don't blame Gary Gutting anyway, he's a professor of philosophy hence he has to pretend he's knowledgable whatever the authour.

Flocon a dit…

Mick jagger aged 15 or so

Anijo a dit…

Damn! Mick Jagger was cute way back then, and even now somewhat interesting. Well, as we age, we become more interesting than cute. ☺

Ned Ludd a dit…

Flocon, le site Rue 89 te donne des conseils pour réussir avec la gente féminine.

Cunnilingus : les hommes ne savent pas lécher, en général

Flocon a dit…

Ah souvenirs...

I remember how all my girlfriends would angrily shout "leave my knees alone you douchebag, I'll never make it that way". And yet I would vigorously and consciensiously rub their knees. I ask the question: What else could have I done with their knees?

Some people are born naturally unsatisfied really!

Flocon a dit…

Hope Anijo doesn't come accross your link Ned, she's so fragile you know.

And SemperFidelis! The Marines training program most certainly doesn't introduce the boys with this sort of combat mission.

Now, I have my installation CDs on my desk, I would'nt be surprised if the Gendarmerie Nationale had spotted my blog again.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Flocon, I am a great admirer of Richard Feynman, a brilliant man with a great sense of humor.

You should see this video of him The Pleasure of Finding Things Out

I have his autobiography "What do you care what other people think" and a biography "Genius" by James Gleich. BTW, Gleich has written other interesting books.

Anijo a dit…

And all the time we human beings have been too proud even to recognize our kinship to animals.

It is that which most closely describes my inner thoughts.

Anijo a dit…

One day Flocon and Ned will become lovers.... up to now they're too shy to admit how much that they're made for each other.

Anijo a dit…

Well, both Flocon and Ned have part of them which is tough, and another soft side that they're too shy to exhibit. ;)

Ned Ludd a dit…

Anijo, I'm too old, though I saw "The Graduate" yesterday in VO. It always makes me laugh except for the happy end. Ann Bancroft you might say was the original of what is called today a Cougar. It is one film where the music goes wonderfully with.

It is also the only film by Dustin Hoffman where I understand what he is saying. I don't know why he started talking like he had cotton in his mouth.

I may have been shy, or at least moderately so, in my youth, which I regret, because I missed many opportunities. "Moderately" is a subjective view. But it doesn't change things to realize that most other people have worse experiences.

Sex is like other senses: smelling different flowers, seeing different sites, hearing different music, tasting different foods. You don't necessarily want to have the same experience every day. If I had been exposed to porn at the time, I think I could have had more enriching experiences.

Flocon a dit…


Why do I have the feeling this was on the menu last night?

Anyway, I've tried my chance with Ned for years now until she dealt me the final blow when she told me she had no business wasting her precious time with insignificant tepid unsexy little turds like me :-(

Anijo a dit…

yes, Flocon, uh.... errrr... guilty as charched. And yet my drunken questions/statments did ellicit some rather interesting comments from Ned, so, in the end, all is well.

She whose computer is still acting up

Ned Ludd a dit…


Your link to ship traffic is inadvertently showing a major pollution problem. Shipping is significantly adds to greenhouse gases as well as many other forms of pollution. These are hidden costs of international trade which the corporations don't have to pay for.

If they were taken into account, we might find that it is more economical to produce and consume local products. Fat chance of that happening in our ideal world of globalization.

As to air traffic, besides moving passengers, there is an enormous amount of freight traffic, some of it justified, but agricultural products are also flown half way around the world. Do we really need to eat kiwi fruit from New Zealand or chicken from Brazil?

Anijo a dit…

The so-called Master of Meßkirch is named after the eleven altarpieces

Artists (musicians, painters) from long ago were only employed if their works had to to with religious subjects as their patrons were all religious.

Flocon a dit…

Speaking of overgeneralisation...

See the title of the article in this piece in the NYT.

Of course Arlene Hirst chose this kind of title for journalistic purpose in ordrer to attract the attention of the readers but nonetheless, this sort of overgeneralisation is a language trap everyone stumbles upon.

Please note that the comment most recommanded by the readers is the one which defends "the French".

As to "the French", I doubt more than a few thousands French people has ever heard of, what's his name ? ah yes, Mathieu Lehanneur.

Flocon a dit…

he he, petite Américaine is attentive to the changes in the sidebar ;-)

That one is a very earlier translation from German (July 2011). The sentence you quote indicates you switched to the English version of the article where you may have noticed it is twice as short as the German one.

It is my rule to always chose the longest article when I select a page to translate. Save when the article in German is really too long and arduous to translate, then there are hundreds of thousands pages in English to keep me occupied.

Here's a recent one which is a mix of both the English and the German pages.

Ned Ludd a dit…

It seems that one of my posts where I described you as an erudite has disappeared.

Anyway, I watched an old episode of one of my favorite series, "Yes, Minister/Prime Minister" and there was an exchange for language lovers.

Episode Five: The Bed of Nails

[Hacker has been offered the job of Transport Supremo.]

"Hacker: Sir Mark thinks there might be votes in it, and I do not intend to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Sir Humphrey: I put it to you, Minister, that you are looking a Trojan horse in the mouth.

Hacker: You mean if we look closely at this gift horse, we'll find it's full of Trojans?

Bernard: Um, if you had looked the Trojan Horse in the mouth, Minister, you would have found Greeks inside. Well, the point is that it was the Greeks who gave the Trojan horse to the Trojans, so technically it wasn't a Trojan horse at all; it was a Greek horse. Hence the tag "timeo Danaos et dona ferentes", which, you will recall, is usually and somewhat inaccurately translated as "beware of Greeks bearing gifts", or doubtless you would have recalled had you not attended the LSE.

Hacker: Yes, well, I'm sure Greek tags are all very well in their way; but can we stick to the point?

Bernard: Sorry, sorry: Greek tags?

Hacker: "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." I suppose the EEC equivalent would be "Beware of Greeks bearing an olive oil surplus".

Sir Humphrey: Excellent, Minister.

Bernard: No, well, the point is, Minister, that just as the Trojan horse was in fact Greek, what you describe as a Greek tag is in fact Latin. It's obvious, really: the Greeks would never suggest bewaring of themselves, if one can use such a participle (bewaring that is). And it's clearly Latin, not because timeo ends in "-o", because the Greek first person also ends in "-o" – although actually there is a Greek word timao, meaning 'I honour'. But the "-os" ending is a nominative singular termination of a second declension in Greek, and an accusative plural in Latin, of course, though actually Danaos is not only the Greek for 'Greek'; it's also the Latin for 'Greek'. It's very interesting, really."

Bernard is Minister Jim Hacker's personal secretary.

Sir Humphrey is a top functionary.

The reference to "LSE", the London School of Economics, is used disparagingly by Bernard and Humphrey for whom only Oxford and Cambridge count.

But self-superior Sir Humphrey at the end of Bernard's explanation even is even "bouche bée".

Flocon a dit…

It seems that one of my posts where I described you as an erudite has disappeared.

Has not. it's on the court-martial comments section.

Is this what they call the Steam anchor effect? :-)

re. the LSE, not everybody knows Mick jagger attended the school (1961-1962)

Ned Ludd a dit…

D'habitude, je me couche tôt, mais j'aime bien regarder et écouter l'émission de Jean-François Zygel, "La boîte à musique". Je suis loin d'etre un expert ou même une avisée, mais j'essais d'apprendre.

Cette soir, il a fait du Beethoven et j'éssais de comprends. C'est pas facile, mais gratifiant.

Cette émission me rappele cela de Leonarn Bernstein il y a des décennies, "Young Peoples' Concerts". J'ai beaucoup appris à l'epoque, au moins je le penses.

Anijo a dit…

I was working on the farm this evening and two little farm boys came over across the street to help me. Such intelligent delightful young men that they were. ☺

Flocon a dit…

"D'habitude, je me couche tôt"

Sais-tu que tu viens d'imiter l'incipit le plus célèbre de la littérature française?

If you find which it is, you can ask me whatever you want (in the range of the blog of course).


J'aime bien Zygel aussi, il a le don pédagogique mais les quelques fois où j'ai regardé son émission, je suis toujours un peu resté sur ma faim cependant.

Il y a plusieurs années, ARTE a diffusé un certain nombre de "Young Peoples' Concerts" dont un où Berstein illustrait le thème de la répétition en faisant jouer "And I love her" par l'orchestre.

And there was a mother in the audience who was smiling and nodding to her son sitting on her left, like they knew each other they were refering to some secret of theirs.

Beethoven ouvre la période romantique qui est à l'opposé de ma sensibilité de janséniste/minimaliste.

Musique carnatique, oui
Musique baroque, oui
Bach, bien sûr
Quatuor à cordes, oui
Bud Powell, oui

mais les grandes machineries avec 150 instrumentistes, ça me casse vraiment la tête. Alors Wagner ô-Ô

Flocon a dit…

Oh, la petite Américaine est passée pendant que je répondais à Ned :-)

These two young farm boys have given that day in your life a little special « je ne sais quoi » et « presque rien »

You can't escape philosophy ;-)

It's nearly 3:30 am, Ned must be sleeping, I don't feel at all like sleeping and probably will eventually wake up at 11 am while Anijo will be sound asleep.

Ned Ludd a dit…

In last night's program, Zygel spoke precisely about minimalism(and repetition)using four notes from Beethoven's 5th as a starting point on his piano. He then continued with a string quartet, a baritone, and piano piece for four hands of lesser or completely unknown Beethoven composition. It was a very different look Beethoven.

Of you are referring to Proust, whom I may have had in my subconscious when I wrote. It wasn't intentional, I wish it had been.

I'll give you two questions from English works. The first is "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

That's not an incipit, but is widely cited, even in the Supreme Court of the U.S.

The best known incipit is "It was a dark and stormy night." Everyone knows it but few know the author or the book. It is an example of what is called Purple Prose

For the first one, try not to cheat for a few moments, and for the second you will probably have to, the link above for example.

Ah, sleep and thus dreaming. "Stars Shining above you, night breezes seem to whisper I love you, birds singing in the sycamore tree, dream a little dream of me."

Anijo will know that song.

More about dreams, "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours."

Unfortunately my dreams tend to be on the dark side. Sometimes I dream complete stories, and it has happened that the next day I am convinced that there is something I have to do or have forgotten to do. It may even take half the morning before I realize it was a dream.

Anijo a dit…

Such dreamy philosophical comments from Flocon and Ned. Those young farm boys from the Mesilla Valley have no idea that their actions had an effect on two people living in Paris. ;)

I googled le Je-ne-sais-quoi et le Presque-rien and found this nice music.

In the comments, there was this poem by by Augustin Dercrois:

That quite no thing

Sky and clouds

Hands of the (k)no(w)led(ge)

That quite quiet thing

The white in the black

The flourishing

Inside the way for


Outside the mirror

Deep, deep

That quite no thing



For are

Stars the cause?

One is


And several

Are one

Deep, deep, deep...

That quite no thing

The bird

Being mirrored in

The lake





That will become a rose

Arosen as a sun

Deep, deep, deep...

A je-ne-sais-quoi

And a quite no thing


Deep, deep, deep...

Flocon a dit…


- As pertains to the first line, I wouldn't have known hadn't you mentioned the title by Bob Dylan just a couple of days ago.

- The second one is easy too, all the more so since the title of the song is included at the end of the verse.

Some years ago I collected covers of the song by Ella. Fitz et al.

- The third one (dark night etc.) I've met time and again with the same question: who and where. I've learned and I've forgotten...

And now I'm waiting for your permission to look at the end of your link

Re your tormented dreams,

How many seas must a white dove sail before she sleeps in the sand? ;-)

Flocon a dit…


Those young farm boys from the Mesilla Valley have no idea that their actions had an effect on two people living in Paris.

I note that one down and I'll try to make a post from this basis when I feel I'm ready.

You do have the knack to pick up unexpected sites Anijo.

So this time it is an Italian who's composed a piece of fleeting music inspired by the "concept" put forth by Janké...

At the end of the track, you may notice there are other pieces apparently connected to le "Je ne sais quoi et le presque rien".

Juste pour info, cette expression se rencontre à présent assez souvent (c'est relatif tout de même) dans certains milieux littéraires.

Ned Ludd a dit…

Take the time you need. Hint, it is also at the end.

"Ah, sleep and thus dreaming" is another literary reference, intentional this time.