tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post6896365908789434530..comments2023-07-23T14:10:14.460+02:00Comments on Shall we talk?: Time outFloconhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-2323861537557373232012-11-22T10:15:42.230+01:002012-11-22T10:15:42.230+01:00When dealing with a "fumelle" the wise m...When dealing with a "fumelle" the wise man never too cautious will be cos' the wrath of the "fumelle" scares the hell out of the boldest heroes... ;-)Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-75203311972388489152012-11-22T08:27:06.390+01:002012-11-22T08:27:06.390+01:00Flocon, I read again and I didn't find any off...Flocon, I read again and I didn't find any offensive in your posts or anything that would hurt my feelings, and you know what a sensitive person I am.:)Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-59432645951040763692012-11-21T23:54:34.333+01:002012-11-21T23:54:34.333+01:00Ned,
"could there be a step in evolution tha...Ned,<br /><br /><i>"could there be a step in evolution that would give some of us a survival advantage"</i><br /><br />It already happened some hundreds thousands of years ago when <i>homo sapiens</i> emerged from the monkey species and developed its <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognition" rel="nofollow">cognitive abilities</a>.<br /><br />Could it happen again? I cannot Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-91122634121297902942012-11-21T23:27:16.378+01:002012-11-21T23:27:16.378+01:00Ned,
I totally accept your first two paragraphs.
...Ned,<br /><br />I totally accept your first two paragraphs.<br /><br /><i>"most or all of our species must have developed the same perception and interpretation of things like color perception"</i><br /><br />Spot on! This is the very reason why Kant's aesthetics is called <b>transcendental</b>: it's universal.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.generation-online.org/p/Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-77826881412536532222012-11-21T09:41:06.788+01:002012-11-21T09:41:06.788+01:00Flocon, The lecture I linked partially supports Ka...Flocon, The lecture I linked partially supports Kant. But it is likely that as a question of survival most or all of our species must have developed the same perception and interpretation of things like color perception. Those who didn't would have a disadvantage.<br /><br />So we even if we don't sense the "real" world, we have a similar comprehension through our maybe Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-50758991065342007742012-11-20T00:09:59.445+01:002012-11-20T00:09:59.445+01:00Anijo,
"If Israelis and Palestinians should ...Anijo,<br /><br /><i>"If Israelis and Palestinians should ever join arms, what a powerful and beautiful onion that would be."</i><br /><br />Err... like <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Onion_on_White.JPG/220px-Onion_on_White.JPG" rel="nofollow">here</a> for example?<br /><br />Are you OK Anijo? ;-) ☺ ☺ ☺Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-51183464863438999712012-11-19T23:25:01.000+01:002012-11-19T23:25:01.000+01:00Ned,
The optical illusion article that your link ...Ned,<br /><br />The optical illusion article that your link leads to is fascinating indeed.<br /><br /><i>"we are not outside observers of nature defined in isolation."</i><br /><br />Didn't I write something similar three weeks ago?:<br /><br /><i>"Prior to Kant, people believed the world was here for us to contemplate and observe and that we were passive in the relation Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-34755679748284651172012-11-19T01:23:11.223+01:002012-11-19T01:23:11.223+01:00If Israelis and Palestinians should ever join arms...If Israelis and Palestinians should ever join arms, what a powerful and beautiful onion that would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-6802780525772069232012-11-18T08:43:01.905+01:002012-11-18T08:43:01.905+01:00Flocon, Here is an lecture about what we (don'...Flocon, Here is an lecture about what we (don't)know that might interest you.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/beau-lotto/optical-illusions_b_2139341.html" rel="nofollow">Optical Illusions Show How We See</a> or I might add how we don't see reality.Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-27640194849131593292012-11-09T20:14:08.485+01:002012-11-09T20:14:08.485+01:00Ned,
À propos du problème de Molyneux, j'ai l...Ned,<br /><br />À propos du problème de Molyneux, j'ai lu (quelque part une fois et il y a longtemps) qu'un aveugle qui avait recouvré la vue, n'ayant évidemment aucune expérience de l'espace (visuel as opposed to tactile), avait l'impression que les gens qui s'éloignaient de lui rapetissaient littéralement.<br /><br />He tought that people were actually shrinking since heFloconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-18593858462878309682012-11-06T14:01:55.546+01:002012-11-06T14:01:55.546+01:00I didn't know that problem, but the research s...I didn't know that problem, but the research seems to go against what I would have thought.<br /><br />To lighten up your day, apparently more intelligent people drink more alcohol than others.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/11/05/intelligent-people-drink-more-alcohol/" rel="nofollow">alcohol</a><br /><br />A couple of more links that I will have to Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-523441713958874242012-11-04T22:38:46.984+01:002012-11-04T22:38:46.984+01:00Ned,
You probably know about Molyneux's probl...Ned,<br /><br />You probably know about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molyneux%27s_problem" rel="nofollow">Molyneux's problem</a> but just in case.Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-73736661136309819142012-11-04T22:35:51.556+01:002012-11-04T22:35:51.556+01:00Anijo,
Obviously Douglas Adams was on to somethin...Anijo,<br /><br />Obviously Douglas Adams was on to something and probably aware of the metaphysical conundrum...<br /><br />Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-39099576375938815302012-11-04T09:40:37.669+01:002012-11-04T09:40:37.669+01:00Flocon, "If it weren't for time, space an...Flocon, "If it weren't for time, space and causality as a priori form of our sensitivity" I think that is what I said in other words. <br /><br />I didn't exclude Kant's idea, but suggested that it is incomplete and that there is also the "real" world from which our faculties are issued. So there is a complementary interaction. Of course our brains are limited, as Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-29797709834716538142012-11-04T02:54:13.627+01:002012-11-04T02:54:13.627+01:00~Flocon
It is our brains which gives its form to t...~Flocon<br /><i>It is our brains which gives its form to the universe as we know it, not the other way round contrary to the common naive spontaneous approach uneducated people have.</i><br /><br />~Douglas Adams<br /><i>There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-25693460435664878272012-11-04T02:02:38.909+01:002012-11-04T02:02:38.909+01:00This issue that has been discussed for the last co...This issue that has been discussed for the last couple of months now belongs to the field of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism" rel="nofollow">idealism</a>, of which there are several forms.<br /><br />The position I have presented from the beginning is that of Kant:<br /><br /><i>"... if I remove the thinking subject, the whole material world must at once vanish because it is Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-81558929804462234072012-11-04T00:00:02.549+01:002012-11-04T00:00:02.549+01:00Ned,
"for the most part and for most of our ...Ned,<br /><br /><i>"for the most part and for most of our species, the perceptions we have can be regarded as a real regard on a real universe, rather than just products of intuition"</i><br /><br />Of course I don't want to be unpleasant Ned but this sentence just indicates how much you reason like people used to prior to Kant's findings.<br /><br />Here is what I wrote to Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-77627080217564301202012-11-03T14:00:56.000+01:002012-11-03T14:00:56.000+01:00Anijo, unfortunately we are usually only concerned...Anijo, unfortunately we are usually only concerned with pain when it is ours, or possibly that of someone close.<br /><br />Under our current unequal economic system, we don't readily feel the daily pain of hundreds of millions of people who are living at subsistance level or actually slowly starving to death. Nor do we pay much attention to those, often children, who work in mines and other Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-7017034937109570982012-11-03T13:53:27.092+01:002012-11-03T13:53:27.092+01:00Flocon, "Suffering isn't limited to human...Flocon, "Suffering isn't limited to human beings, animals by the billions have suffered to death for hundred million years and they are by far much more numerous than we are.<br /><br />Another indication that existence is hellish is the "natural" proclivity of humans to disregard animmals' suffering because they simply aren't humans. How foolish and selfish."<br /Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-21253358829389716432012-11-03T13:41:11.269+01:002012-11-03T13:41:11.269+01:00"when we die the only world that exists to us... "when we die the only world that exists to us disappears along us and the whole universe collapses as well." That is also a product of our imagination, whatever that is or means.<br /><br />"Kant believed that space, time, causation belonged properly to the form imposed on the world by the human mind in order to create the representation". The inverse also has to be included,Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-49042046679906974572012-10-26T01:08:46.616+02:002012-10-26T01:08:46.616+02:00Ha! ☺ ☺ ☺
I must say that I'm learning so muc...Ha! ☺ ☺ ☺<br /><br />I must say that I'm learning so much about philosophy from Shall We Talk thanks to you.<br /><br />There was a time when linking to Wikipedia was laughable, but it has become a very valuable source of information these days thanks to people such as yourself. Sure, one has to verify what one reads on Wiki, but it's a wonderful source with which to begin research into Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-2668629005098474092012-10-26T00:25:39.069+02:002012-10-26T00:25:39.069+02:00Anijo,
An important point to remember is that lin...Anijo,<br /><br />An important point to remember is that line:<br /><br /><i>"Kant believed that space, time, causation belonged properly to the form imposed on the world by the human mind in order to create the representation"</i>.<br /><br />This is fundamental and also the reason why it is said that there is a Kantian revolution.<br /><br />Prior to Kant, people believed the world Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-21869290212144765702012-10-23T21:26:53.341+02:002012-10-23T21:26:53.341+02:00Well, Flocon. Very complex ideas. You have me doin...Well, Flocon. Very complex ideas. You have me doing a lot of homework.<br /><br />Right now, I'm just working on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_as_Will_and_Representation" rel="nofollow">the meaning of Will per Schopenhauer.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-39626240929494867172012-10-22T22:30:45.733+02:002012-10-22T22:30:45.733+02:00one always wonders under these circumstances why i...<i>one always wonders under these circumstances why it takes hours before someone decides to give a shot of morphine when it takes 5 seconds to a nurse to do the injection. And a dose of morphine doesn't cost hundreds of $...</i><br /><br />I don't know about in France, but here in the U.S. doctors are worried about being responsible for over prescribing pain medication. I guess they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-2887027470737584282012-10-22T08:31:08.564+02:002012-10-22T08:31:08.564+02:00re the episode in the hospital, one always wonders...re the episode in the hospital, one always wonders under these circumstances why it takes hours before someone decides to give a shot of morphine when it takes 5 seconds to a nurse to do the injection. And a dose of morphine doesn't cost hundreds of $...<br /><br /><i> I was actually hoping I would just die rather than continue to feel the pain.</i><br /><br />So can you even imagine what it Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.com