tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post5280751552369354523..comments2023-07-23T14:10:14.460+02:00Comments on Shall we talk?: Tinky Winky and the tyrantsFloconhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-30875047865383620042011-03-31T22:23:15.271+02:002011-03-31T22:23:15.271+02:00Ned,
"Another person I may have mentioned ea...Ned,<br /><br /><i>"Another person I may have mentioned earlier is Victoria Woodhull"</i><br /><br />Yes, I remember you did.<br /><br />I came accross the name of an English feminist in the early XIXth century the other day, unfortunately I didn't memorize her name.<br /><br />Prior to Victoria Woodhull lived <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojourner_Truth" rel="nofollow">Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-9797559803997952472011-03-31T19:08:08.172+02:002011-03-31T19:08:08.172+02:00Another person I may have mentioned earlier is Vic...Another person I may have mentioned earlier is Victoria Woodhull, who ran for President in the 19th century, was the first woman stockbroker and many other things that shocked right-thinking people of the period.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Who-Ran-President-Victoria/dp/0140256385/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301589434&sr=1-3" rel="nofollow">Woodhull</a><br /><Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-6960034375726190372011-03-27T00:51:45.535+01:002011-03-27T00:51:45.535+01:00He certainly wasn't much of a feminist but how...<i>He certainly wasn't much of a feminist but how many feminists were there in the world by then?<br /><br />Even now, not all women are feminist.</i><br /><br />You're right. Sexist and racist comments that no one would dare make today were quite common back then.<br /><br />We've come along way baby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-35720531419008927982011-03-27T00:33:14.599+01:002011-03-27T00:33:14.599+01:00Had you Polanski in mind?
"It was myself who...Had you Polanski in mind?<br /><br /><i>"It was myself who I had in mind."</i><br /><br />Did you drug and rape <a href="http://0b.img.v4.skyrock.com/0b5/loicos11/pics/849758923.jpg" rel="nofollow">an innocent teenager</a>? shock! shock! shock!<br /><br />---------<br /><br />This text by Schopy isn't worth discussing.<br /><br />He certainly wasn't much of a feminist but how Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-62406497856444569622011-03-27T00:07:59.153+01:002011-03-27T00:07:59.153+01:00Flocon,
I like that we feel comfortable enough wi...Flocon,<br /><br />I like that we feel comfortable enough with one another to speak our minds, both of us. ☺Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-13025037130874020232011-03-27T00:03:30.623+01:002011-03-27T00:03:30.623+01:00Puisque tu as lu l'essai Of Women, you will ha...<i>Puisque tu as lu l'essai Of Women, you will have noticed that what he writes about the fate of women forced into prostitution isn't that "ugly"...</i><br /><br />One would hope that any reasonable person would not feel positive about women being forced into prositituion. Being against such a thing is not the same as being a feminist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-65031357143623563852011-03-27T00:00:39.654+01:002011-03-27T00:00:39.654+01:00Had you Polanski in mind?
It was myself who I had...<i>Had you Polanski in mind?</i><br /><br />It was myself who I had in mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-46767097496886071112011-03-26T23:59:15.836+01:002011-03-26T23:59:15.836+01:00Instead of calling them beautiful, there would be ...<i>Instead of calling them beautiful, there would be more warrant for describing women as the un-aesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor for poetry, nor for fine art, have they really and truly any sense or susceptibility; it is a mere mockery if they make a pretence of it in order to assist their endeavor to please</i><br /><br />~Schopenhauer<br /><br />So Schopenhauer feels that women's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-65607091865609624292011-03-26T23:48:34.930+01:002011-03-26T23:48:34.930+01:00"Some artists are certainly not paragons of m...<i>"Some artists are certainly not paragons of morality."</i><br /><br />Had you Polanski in mind?<br /><br />Parmi bien d'autres, il y a un célèbre peintre italien du XVIIè siècle (dont le nom m'échappe) qui fut recherché par la "police" pontificale after he had killed one if not two persons.<br /><br />Puisque tu as lu l'essai <b>Of Women</b>, you will have Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-36725923778282149422011-03-26T22:42:59.102+01:002011-03-26T22:42:59.102+01:00Philosophers are no saints like musicians are not ...<i>Philosophers are no saints like musicians are not necessarily paragons of morality.</i><br /><br />Sone artists are certainly not paragons of morality.<br /><br />Various people influence and add to our intellectual understanding about life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-24435502209739368472011-03-26T22:00:32.741+01:002011-03-26T22:00:32.741+01:00Yes, this is a well known piece by him and which i...Yes, this is a well known piece by him and which is totaly unrelated to his philosophy.<br /><br />It's just a text written by a German bourgeois in the middle of the XIXth century.<br /><br />Philosophers are no saints like musicians are not necessarily paragons of morality.<br /><br />Arthur had a very bad relationship with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Schopenhauer" rel="Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-89023346781170619772011-03-26T19:35:30.114+01:002011-03-26T19:35:30.114+01:00Here is an aspect of Schopenhauer that is ugly.<a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Women" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an aspect of Schopenhauer that is ugly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-61030820074934740822011-03-26T14:02:31.717+01:002011-03-26T14:02:31.717+01:00"It may surprise you, but Skinner spoke highl...<i>"It may surprise you, but Skinner spoke highly of Rousseau, particularly of "Emile, ou de l'education".</i><br /><br />C'est inattendu en effet pour un scientifique tel que lui.<br /><br />Je me suis toujours demandé s'il valait la peine encore de lire l'Émile de Rousseau. Un manuel d'éducation écrit au XVIIIè siècle. En tous cas je vais aller lire ce qu'Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-69022365771336012792011-03-26T12:53:22.294+01:002011-03-26T12:53:22.294+01:00It may surprise you, but Skinner spoke highly of R...It may surprise you, but Skinner spoke highly of Rousseau, particularly of "Emile, ou de l'education".<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.fr/%C3%89mile-ou-l%C3%A9ducation-Jean-Jacques-Rousseau/dp/2080701177/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301139344&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Emile</a><br /><br />Another book to read by Skinner is "About Behaviorism".<br /><br /><a rel="Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-30650995375680271612011-03-26T00:03:24.678+01:002011-03-26T00:03:24.678+01:00This is exactly why Nietzsche wrote his third Unti...<i>This is exactly why Nietzsche wrote his third Untimely meditation in hommage to Schopenhauer who Nietzsche considered as the true educator he was looking for.<br /><br />Read just the first lines of chapter 2 and it may ring a bell with you. </i><br /><br />This provides me with something interesting to ponder tomorrow morning. Thank you. You, Flocon, are my mentor re philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-29715560910493979592011-03-25T23:57:15.682+01:002011-03-25T23:57:15.682+01:00I started reading Nietzsche and Freud when I was 1...I started reading Nietzsche and Freud when I was 16 but you must remember there are these philosophy classes in France which we undertake the year before the Baccalaureate.<br /><br />I stopped reading these books when I was 20 something until I returned to philosophy when I was 45. So I wasted some 25 years pulling myself together...<br /><br />I'm not sure reading some books too early is Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-8090665323970358082011-03-25T23:21:45.655+01:002011-03-25T23:21:45.655+01:00re sketicism
oops, pardon... skepticism.
Mon ...<i>re sketicism</i><br /><br />oops, pardon... skepticism.<br /><br />Mon 'ti doigt droite est fenéanteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-955839017751321282011-03-25T23:18:08.059+01:002011-03-25T23:18:08.059+01:00Flocon and Ned,
You two are impressive. I didn...Flocon and Ned,<br /><br />You two are impressive. I didn't read any Neitzsche (or any other literary writings re sketicism etc etc )until I was well into my thirties. It was when I was around 13 years old that I began to question all of this, but without the benefit of being educated by any profound ideas from any prominent philosophers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-46284422724145472062011-03-25T22:39:00.958+01:002011-03-25T22:39:00.958+01:00Désolé Ned, ton commentaire a atterri dans les pou...Désolé Ned, ton commentaire a atterri dans les pourriels (French for spams, Anijo).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2011/03/25/comment-les-metaphores-programment-notre-esprit_1498635_651865.html" rel="nofollow">This article</a> (with many links to the English original texts) will probably interest you since you're in behaviorism.<br /><br />For what I understandFloconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-62975613715152906622011-03-25T19:03:23.568+01:002011-03-25T19:03:23.568+01:00It was just the first episode. I mentioned Miller,...It was just the first episode. I mentioned Miller, because his description of his personal experience with religion is similar to mine.<br /><br />The book by Nietzche "Beyond Good and Evil" makes me think of another thinker that has influenced me, B.F. Skinner who wrote "Beyond Freedom and Dignity", which I highly recommend.<br /><br />There are several videos of Skinner, Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-1838641771200896082011-03-24T18:17:10.890+01:002011-03-24T18:17:10.890+01:00Thank Odin, the video lasts less than ten minutes ...Thank Odin, the video lasts less than ten minutes :-D<br /><br />J'ai probablement lu les 3/4 des livres de Nietzsche but -as I wrote before- these books need and deserve to be read many, many times donc it's a bit meaningless to have read them only once(je parle pour moi là évidemment).<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Schopenhauer_as_Educator" rel="nofollow">That one</aFloconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-84117335836348081992011-03-24T17:50:07.418+01:002011-03-24T17:50:07.418+01:00I read "Geneology of Morals" and "B...I read "Geneology of Morals" and "Beyond Good and Evil".<br /><br />I think I mentioned Jonathan Miller before, but here again is his BBC program "A Rough History of Disbelief".<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdRq15ySDA&feature=related" rel="nofollow">Disbelief</a>Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-40969107721476004072011-03-24T17:18:18.851+01:002011-03-24T17:18:18.851+01:00I'm not that wrong it seems...
Luthérien inst...I'm not that wrong it seems...<br /><br />Luthérien instead of catholic nuns and Jesuits ;-)<br /><br /><i>"as far as I remember, I never believed the stuff."</i><br /><br />Pareil. Ce qu'on me racontait à 7/8 ans je l'écoutais comme une histoire qui me paraissait bien loin de la réalité.<br /><br />The one thing I remember well was when I was taught the passage about "Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-59603807264226625562011-03-24T16:35:51.522+01:002011-03-24T16:35:51.522+01:00Flocon, you are wrong all along the line about be ...Flocon, you are wrong all along the line about be me and religion. I was raised Lutheran, went to Sunday services and Sunday school, but as far as I remember, I never believed the stuff.<br /><br />I read Nietzche around 16 years old and found out why. The only things I remember from my Lutheran confirmation classes is that during the breaks, I smoked my first cigarette and learned what a condom Ned Luddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00599196155953996432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-186849324750028115.post-66027399081804264162011-03-13T13:19:40.541+01:002011-03-13T13:19:40.541+01:00Ned,
Two answers and one question :-D
- Tous les...Ned,<br /><br />Two answers and one question :-D<br /><br />- Tous les athées sont convaincus depuis toujours (mais il n'y en avait pas beaucoup au Moyen-Âge) de ce que dit Steven Weinberg. Et comme je ne le connais pas ---> Wiki.<br /><br />Weinberg rappelle ce que disait Hitchens lors de son débat avec Blair il y a quelques mois.<br /><br />J'aurais pu utiliser la citation de Tacite Floconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152293520895506516noreply@blogger.com